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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goldrush76: Quote:
Reproduce typos is a rule that doesn't seem to be logical at all ... This is also my opinion, but, curiously, each time I tried to make this rule change, I had a majority of users against me, some of them being even insulting ("man of Vichy", "terrorist", and even "French", which is for at least one user the worst...) | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | You wouldn't have to... we have a Credited As system where when used properly will link both names together as well as keep the listing as credited in the credits. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Posts: 16 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks Addicted,
Great to know, I'm sure it may come in handy perhaps at least once.... though I may never even catch it :-) |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
You wouldn't have to... we have a Credited As system where when used properly will link both names together as well as keep the listing as credited in the credits. The problem is that we have in fact different common names for the same actors, and, in the online database, François Truffaut do not link with Francois Truffaut, for example. And rules ask to reproduce typos not only in names, but also in overviews...  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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You wouldn't have to... we have a Credited As system where when used properly will link both names together as well as keep the listing as credited in the credits.
The problem is that we have in fact different common names for the same actors, and, in the online database, François Truffaut do not link with Francois Truffaut, for example. And rules ask to reproduce typos not only in names, but also in overviews... You should only have one Common Name, which ever is used the most frequently. If you've got more than one, then someone isn't following the rules! |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Posts: 16 |
| | Posted: | | | | well as suggested , isnt it possible to just go ahead and link Francois Truffaut to François Truffaut using the Credited As? Even a missing accent is still a typo after all, even if both spellings are common names for the same actor and "technically" not a typo by an entire incorrect letter..... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
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You wouldn't have to... we have a Credited As system where when used properly will link both names together as well as keep the listing as credited in the credits.
The problem is that we have in fact different common names for the same actors, and, in the online database, François Truffaut do not link with Francois Truffaut, for example. And rules ask to reproduce typos not only in names, but also in overviews...
You should only have one Common Name, which ever is used the most frequently. If you've got more than one, then someone isn't following the rules! Exactly per the rules you use the most commonly credited form of the name for common name. If everyone is following the rules everything will link. Matter of fact as long as you (general you) follows that rule everything will link in your private database. As for typos in overviews... some of us (most of us going by that poll you made when wanting to change it) prefers exactly per case from a collector's point of view. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
You should only have one Common Name... Do you suggest that it is in fact the case, and that for all actors we have only one common name in the online??? What amazingly good news !!! As for me, each time I download a profile, I get non linking actors. So now I prefer my own system... | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | That don't mean there is more then one common name... it only means that all the profiles hasn't been updated for the common names yet. Need to keep in mind this is a fairly new system (just since we went from Intervocative to Invelos)... it will take quite some time to get the common names on all profiles that needs them. Even longer when people prefer to just do it their way locally and ignore the online. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
That don't mean there is more then one common name... it only means that all the profiles hasn't been updated for the common names yet. Need to keep in mind this is a fairly new system (just since we went from Intervocative to Invelos)... it will take quite some time to get the common names on all profiles that needs them. Even longer when people prefer to just do it their way locally and ignore the online. It's been several years, and as far as I am concerned the "Credited As" system is still in abysmal shape as far as actually linking all profiles that should be linked. I don't think it will ever work as intended without significant local editing, and should be scrapped for a completely new approach! Just MHO. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Posts: 16 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hal,
Have you ever put it into the bugs forum or under suggested fixes or features during a beta or while a new release is in development??? Sorry if that's obvious, but just asking :-) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | And you should know I agree with you on a different approach Hal... I said so publicly many times. As long as it takes us to change the names by profiles it will take a very long time... if ever.
All I was saying is the idea would work if everyone would actually work together to get it done. But I do think that is a lot to ask. I would still love to see Ken give your idea a chance. I believe we would have a much better linking system then. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goldrush76: Quote:
Hal,
Have you ever put it into the bugs forum or under suggested fixes or features during a beta or while a new release is in development??? Sorry if that's obvious, but just asking :-) It has been brought up several times... he has what many of us think is a better solution to the problem... but unfortunately Ken (the programer) prefers his solution at this time. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goldrush76: Quote:
Hal,
Have you ever put it into the bugs forum or under suggested fixes or features during a beta or while a new release is in development??? Sorry if that's obvious, but just asking :-) Yes, this topic has been thoroughly discussed here for quite some time. So far, the developer has not shown any inkling toward changing the existing system. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
it only means that all the profiles hasn't been updated for the common names yet. Need to keep in mind this is a fairly new system (just since we went from Intervocative to Invelos)... Wrong. Take François Berléand. For the same movie, "Transporter 3", we find several "François Berléand" and several "Francois Berleand". This movie was in theaters in 2008, and in DVD in 2009, long after Intervocative. The system doesn't work since many users entered Francois Berleand, creating two typos since rules ask for that, and without using the "credited as" system. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | which is what I said... they haven't been updated with the credited as yet. Now if people don't link them and upload them of course it isn't going to link. But that is on us. Ken can only tell us how he wants us to do it. The rest is up to us to actually do it as we do the profiles.
I already said I didn't care for Ken's solution... and I prefer Hal's solution... but when that is how he (Ken) wants it... that is what we have. If people say the heck with it I will just do locally then of course it will have to be done with each downloaded profile. But if everyone actually did work together and and uploaded the credited as per the rules then the linking system would work. And per the rules... there is only 1 common name. What the Credit Lookup Tool tells us... unless we can prove it wrong per Ken's clarification. And that is all I ever said. | | | | Pete |
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