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Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting MrVideo:
Quote: Again, so what if the media used is the same. It is the capabilities of what is placed onto the media that make it different and that difference needs to be easily viewable on the main page of the program and easier to select for filters. Not adding 4K as another format, will make filtering more difficult, just like trying to find 3D only releases. Try adding a new disc by title into your database that is 3D. No way to easily search for it. The DVD/Blu-ray/HD-DVD dropdown box will/does need entries for 3D and UltraHD (or 4K). The DVD/Blu-ray/HD-DVD dropdown box specifies media type and has nothing to do with the capabilities of what is placed onto the media. As has been said, there is a check box to distinguish between 2D and 3D Blu-rays. I am sorry that this check box isn't enough for you but adding it as a media type, when it clearly isn't, is the wrong way to go. At the time, maybe Ken thought that the Blu-ray media would only be used for one purpose. Then along came Blu-ray 3D and it now the media will be used for 4K Ultra-HD. That makes for THREE different types of playback from a single media. As I point out above, just having the physical media type does a disservice to users of the program because they cannot quickly determine what is potentially on the media. Sure, there is a check box, but it is out-of-the-way. That info is not readily available on the main page. So, when Ultra-HD discs are finally released, is the program only going to have it listed as a feature like 3D? How is one going to do a search on titles, to add to your collection, to only find Ultra-HD releases when there isn't a drop down entry for Ultra-HD, just like there isn't one for 3D. There is no filter method either. The media type needs a definition change to mean media format. There has to be a better way to deal with Blu-ray (2D), Blu-ray 3D and now Ultra-HD Blu-ray and that is to bite the bullet and change the meaning of Media. Why is everyone so against keeping up with the times? On the main page where the media logos are shown, I would like to see all FIVE types and have the ability to search for those types when adding to the database by title. I just did some looking into the new Ultra-HD spec and discovered that the media IS different. While still using the blue laser, the dual layer discs are 66 GB and the new triple layer discs are 100 GB. There is no support for Ultra-HD 3D (not enough space for 4K per eye). Product is supposed to hit the shelves later this year. EDIT: BTW, I've pleaded my case, so it is up to the powers that be if this request will be granted. If you don't ask, you can't get. | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) | | | Last edited: by MrVideo |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Now I understand. We need to incorporate all the Media type. Now 3d is a video format, and 4k is a video resolution, so lets truly add the media types. DVD (4.7gb) DVD (8.5gb) HD-DVD (15gb) HD-DVD (30gb) Blu-Ray (25gb) Blu-Ray (50gb) Blu-Ray (66gb) Blu-Ray (100gb) These, as far as I know, are the only the only valid media types at this time. Adds alot of options What say you |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Since we can already filter on formats already, what you really desire is the ability to search by different parameters when adding profiles to your collection.
That is something that I can understand, in the add profiles dialogue, it would be nice to filter by perse 3d titles, similar to the way we can isolate BD titles.
Though, by the time I filter for bd and Title, it only leaves a few choices, and it doesn't take long to preview them to find the one I want.
You want to impose your idea of convenience on everybody else, when apparently a majority here do not agree with you...
Charlie |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MrVideo: Quote: How is one going to do a search on titles, to add to your collection, to only find Ultra-HD releases when there isn't a drop down entry for Ultra-HD, just like there isn't one for 3D. I guess this is why I don't understand your request. I add all my titles based on UPC or discID. Not once, in 14 years, have I ever added a title using the 'add by title' feature. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: I guess this is why I don't understand your request. I add all my titles based on UPC or discID. Not once, in 14 years, have I ever added a title using the 'add by title' feature. I use "Add by Title" all the time for my Wishlist. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Perhaps the Video Format section should include selections for resolution, e.g., SD, HD and UHD. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MrVideo: Quote: Why is everyone so against keeping up with the times? [...]
I just did some looking into the new Ultra-HD spec and discovered that the media IS different. While still using the blue laser, the dual layer discs are 66 GB and the new triple layer discs are 100 GB. There is no support for Ultra-HD 3D (not enough space for 4K per eye). Product is supposed to hit the shelves later this year. Yawn, we all know that. "Why is everyone so against keeping up with the times?"? Well, how many Ultra HD Blu-rays do you have? I assume: not one. So calm down, and make a feature request that you'd like to have a more prominent Blu-ray 3D notification. | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] | | | Last edited: by bbbbb |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: I guess this is why I don't understand your request. I add all my titles based on UPC or discID. Not once, in 14 years, have I ever added a title using the 'add by title' feature.
I use "Add by Title" all the time for my Wishlist. Another feature I don't use. I use Profiler for one thing and one thing only...to track my collection. I use, as an example, Amazon for my wish list. I do understand that other people use the program differently than I do, so there will be times, as was the case here, where I might not understand why something is so important to another user. Live and learn. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: Though, by the time I filter for bd and Title, it only leaves a few choices, and it doesn't take long to preview them to find the one I want. I don't preview. By having Blu-ray 3D and UltaHD Blu-ray added to the media list, previewing isn't necessary and you don't waste time previewing, only to discover that the title doesn't exit in that format. Quote: You want to impose your idea of convenience on everybody else, when apparently a majority here do not agree with you... How is that imposing to add a feature to a program? A very useful feature, IMHO. It is a computer program. The idea behind programs is to make things easier, in theory. By leaving out the ability to easily work with 3D and the upcoming UltraHD, it makes it harder to deal with these types. Easier, not harder, should be the goal. | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
| Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: "Why is everyone so against keeping up with the times?"? Well, how many Ultra HD Blu-rays do you have? I assume: not one. Of course, none of us have UltraHD releases in our collection. But, by the end of the year, some of the users of the program might. You'd rather have the ability to deal with UltraHD added to the program well after the ability to purchase releases? Quote: So come down, and make a feature request that you'd like to have a more prominent Blu-ray 3D notification. That is what I thought I've done by opening this thread. When I started the thread, I forgot about UltraHD, hence the addition of that format to this request. As pointed out, there are users who don't use features of the program. Does that mean they should never have been added in the first place? No, of course not. So, why the hate against making the program easier to deal with 3D and UltraHD. It would not surprise me in the least that if the ability were added to deal with 3D and UltraHD better, the feature would end up being used. | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Perhaps the confusion is that some are looking at Media type as a format.
Media should be looked at as "What type of disc is this?
For example a Manufactured on Demand title could be either DVD-R OR DVD+R, but the disc itself is still a DVD.
Perhaps this does bring up something. Do we want to either change the Media type to format or add a new field for Format?
And by format it would be that the disc requires both a new player and tv display to qualify.
Just throwing it out there. |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: You want to impose your idea of convenience on everybody else, when apparently a majority here do not agree with you... Well, the "majority" is less than half a dozen users who gave their opinion. In my case, I'm not interested by this request, but I support it as I fully understand that some people may want to use it. We have lots of useless features in the program (format in overviews, group dividers, parent/child profiles...), so why not this one if it can please somebody ? Those not interested just do not use it.... | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: June 1, 2013 | Posts: 217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting CharlieM:
Quote: You want to impose your idea of convenience on everybody else, when apparently a majority here do not agree with you... Well, the "majority" is less than half a dozen users who gave their opinion. In my case, I'm not interested by this request, but I support it as I fully understand that some people may want to use it. We have lots of useless features in the program (format in overviews, group dividers, parent/child profiles...), so why not this one if it can please somebody ? Those not interested just do not use it.... Well said. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Well unless you plan to lock down all your profiles and treat them as local data only you are pretty much forced to use all these "features" regardless if you care about them or not. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting CharlieM:
Quote: You want to impose your idea of convenience on everybody else, when apparently a majority here do not agree with you... Well, the "majority" is less than half a dozen users who gave their opinion. In my case, I'm not interested by this request, but I support it as I fully understand that some people may want to use it. We have lots of useless features in the program (format in overviews, group dividers, parent/child profiles...), so why not this one if it can please somebody ? Those not interested just do not use it.... First, you missed the word here. Second, this whole discussion was brought up (again) about adding 3D to media type. Users here have informed that 3D is not a media type, but is better defined as a media format. Where the only difference between a 2D and 3D is the program that is on the Blu-Ray disc itself. This is no different than distinguishing PAL and NTSC (you need the proper hardware for those, but it is still the same media) In the discussion, it became apparent what he is truly asking for. We can already filter on media format, so that is not an issue. What he really wanted was a way to be able to add 3D and ultimately UHD in the add profile dialog, without having to open the preview dialog to find out what release it is. He wants to be able to drill down to 3D with the addition of a couple of buttons or checkboxes (similar to the way we can isolate blu-ray). He really needs to stop this discussion, and open another discussion with a proper request for what he is truly asking for... I am sure that he would get a lot more support for that request, instead of a long discussion (again) about how 3D is not a media type. Charlie |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote: Well unless you plan to lock down all your profiles and treat them as local data only... This is exactly how I use the program. Online database is a collection of errors that would ruin my profiles. | | | Images from movies |
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