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Use of the online database is a privilege not a right.

You really should define 'use'.

Downloading data from the online is not a privilege at all, it's part of the package.

Having submissions accepted and your ability to submit if you do not follow the rules are a privilege.

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If you feel that the legal reasons for not using IMDb data are are stupid or unjustified. Go visit your local government authority or that of the state of Missouri were Invelos is based and get the the law changed. Please do not whine about it in these forums. We in these forums do not own the database Invelos simply allows us to use it at their discretion. The program is great and the community is great. I have noticed that most (not all) of the criticism comes from outside North America. Maybe some of you who want to use IMDb data should get together and contact Ken  about buying a franchise of the program to fit within the laws of your country. You can not blame anyone for not wanting to be sued unless you are willing to pay their legal fees. Until that time follow the rules as established or don't contribute.

Use of the online database is a privilege not a right.

I have no intention of using IMdB for contributing (my albeit very few profiles). I've been using Profiler since 2000 and quite frankly, feel insulted by the tone of this and other anti-IMdB threads.

Nobody's whining here, Brian, and I think most people on the forums do understand why they can't use IMdB and don't even want to. Karsten's already been accused of grousing and he never even suggested it should be used as a source. All he did was defend it as a website. But that's a bad thing round here now isn't it?

I am fed up of seeing the steady stream of hate flowing towards IMdB. Several of you imply we'd be better of without it. Rubbish! IMdB is one of the best sites on the net, full stop. I use it daily for the news round-ups, quotes and other stuff. I just avoid the fairly well hidden forums. It's my first stop for every instance that Karsten described of trying to place an actor. Their search methods are brilliant, especially finding shared cast and crew and contrary to what is said, it is broadly accurate. It's very nature means it can't be anything more.

Please everyone, for once and for all, stop waving this crap around like a big stick and speaking to people like they are children. 

Jon,

I never said we would be better off without IMDb as a web site

I was just curious after re-reading my post, Where in it did I specifically disparage IMDb? You are correct I did insult members of this community who want the data available and for that I am sorry but  I did not take IMDb to task and there is a very specific reason I would not.

My wife works for Amazon...

Please believe me when I tell you they do not want us using their data.

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Invelos Does not mention the online database on the Home page. The only promotion I really see for it is here on the

Try the features page:

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DVD Profiler's unique combination of desktop application and online data access sets it apart from competing alternatives.

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One-step entry

Just enter the UPC from the DVD case and DVD Profiler does the rest!

Of course the latter is potentially misleading as it won't do the rest if it's not actually in the online database.

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Jon,

I never said we would be better off without IMDb as a web site

I was just curious after re-reading my post, Where in it did I specifically disparage IMDb? You are correct I did insult members of this community who want the data available and for that I am sorry but  I did not take IMDb to task and there is a very specific reason I would not.

My wife works for Amazon...

Please believe me when I tell you they do not want us using their data.

And I don't want to use it! My previous post was in "rant mode". You certainly didn't specifically say anything against IMDb as a site; your post was just the end of the long stick I mentioned! Skip was the one who jumped on Karsten and there were passing comments made on another thread. I was railing against the larger situation rather than you. Sorry if came off that way.

I suppose I've come to see this community as a whole sort sneering whenever it's mentioned. For a long while it was sarcastically referred to as "the site that shall not be named", which is simply pretentious. You know, it makes sense to me to not use their data; but that's no reflection on them. As others have already said, IMDb has it's place, as does Profiler.

We've already had one hicup due to legalities - lets not let it happen again shall we

I'm with Skip on this one

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If Ken were to remove all of the data from the online database except The UPC code and the title of the DVD wouldn't what is said on the features page still be true. He could still charge $30 for the program if he wanted. Especially since "rest" is not defined. It would still add the DVD to a collection list. Isn't advertising a funny thing.

Thanks for finding the other spot.

There is mention of it in one other spot that I could find.  On the 'Product' page it says: The best way to catalog your DVD addiction, DVD Profiler is built on a dynamic user-contributed database that's always up to date!

A database is more than just a UPC and title listing, it has to contain data.  The truth of the matter is that Profilers BIGGEST selling point is the online database.  People buy this software because they can enter a UPC and get all the information about that DVD.  Is the program usable without the db?  Sure it is, but I wouldn't spend $30 on it...would you?

I wish you people would give the IMDB v. DVDP a rest, they serve different purposes.
Yes there is an intersection of the data they contain. But….Neither will ever be 100% accurate; they’re created and maintained by humans, .who notoriously subject to making errors. Everyday previously accepted historical and scientific facts are proven wrong.

Whether it is a government, a religion, a corporation, bacteria or virus and even a group such the users and builders of the DVD Profiler data base have their primary and under lying and driving force is to survive and prosper regardless what they advertise.

How the DVD Profiler data base is to be built has been stated in the rules and their forth coming update and this forum, enough said give it a rest. If you don't want play by the rules, take DVD collection and go play else where.

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I have no intention of using IMdB for contributing (my albeit very few profiles). I've been using Profiler since 2000 and quite frankly, feel insulted by the tone of this and other anti-IMdB threads.

Nobody's whining here, Brian, and I think most people on the forums do understand why they can't use IMdB and don't even want to. Karsten's already been accused of grousing and he never even suggested it should be used as a source. All he did was defend it as a website. But that's a bad thing round here now isn't it?

I am fed up of seeing the steady stream of hate flowing towards IMdB. Several of you imply we'd be better of without it. Rubbish! IMdB is one of the best sites on the net, full stop. I use it daily for the news round-ups, quotes and other stuff. I just avoid the fairly well hidden forums. It's my first stop for every instance that Karsten described of trying to place an actor. Their search methods are brilliant, especially finding shared cast and crew and contrary to what is said, it is broadly accurate. It's very nature means it can't be anything more.

Please everyone, for once and for all, stop waving this crap around like a big stick and speaking to people like they are children. 

Thank you for expressing some of my thoughts. I like to read a variety of resources that best serve my needs. I like to study, compare, and research things that interest me - such as DVDs. Anyone can find positive and negative atributes about anything - only by comparison can one accurately assess anything.
That said, I try my best to know and follow the Ken & Gerri's "rules". I believe that is true for everyone who puts time and energy into DVDP - otherwise, why would they be wasting their time on this site?!?